Season 2, Episode 3 "My Name is Trouble"
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[00:01:01] ANELLA: Okay, enough is enough, people. We are here for episode three. Wow. This is We Are Liars podcast, a pretty little liars podcast. I'm Liss. And I'm Michelle. And we are discussing episode three, titled My Name is Trouble. It aired June 28th, 2011, written by Oliver Cooke. Goldstick and directed by Elodie Keene. In this episode, Spencer attempts to get Toby away from Jason.
[00:01:32] ANELLA: Lucas thinks Hannah has ulterior motives when she wants to help him with the yearbook. A delivers a fake letter to Emily's mom and the girls spy on Melissa.
[00:01:42] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I loved this episode. You did? I loved it and I'm sad that we weren't together. We were remote tonight. I know. It doesn't make a difference. You guys are still going to have your enjoyment from us.
[00:01:52] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: But. I was hootin and hollerin less, like, I, there were so many times I gasped, and I don't want to get [00:02:00] ahead, but I just, like, was obsessed with the Jenna Potter y thing, like, I loved it. I loved it, and I, I gasped at one point, and my cat Moish, like, Got so startled and jumped off my lap. He's in here tonight, actually.
[00:02:14] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: He's
[00:02:14] ILISSA TENIO: being a very good boy. He's being a very good boy, but I really liked this episode. I'm so happy. And next week, Yeah. Like, this whole Ren, Melissa, Ian thing What? Is gonna unravel so soon, so I can't believe Ren is back! Ren and Stimpy! Jaw
[00:02:32] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: was on the floor.
[00:02:35] ILISSA TENIO: For warning, obviously, um, if you watch this on Hulu, apparently the recap showed something with Ren.
[00:02:44] ILISSA TENIO: We watched on Max, so we didn't have anything spoiled. Also, there wasn't even a, uh, previously on this week, but those who watched on Hulu said there was like a tiny bit of a spoiler because they referenced Ren, which we haven't seen in so long. So people are like, what [00:03:00] the hell is with that? Is it the same actor?
[00:03:02] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah,
[00:03:03] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: same guy. Imagine if we got
[00:03:04] ILISSA TENIO: Nguyen. Just like new Jason. You're just like, Oh, Jason's back. You're like, wait, that's the same person. Nguyen. No, but, uh, we will talk about Ren. I firstly just wanted to just, you know, shout out, thank you for you peeps who have been listening for the past three weeks. We see you.
[00:03:25] ILISSA TENIO: We love you. And to keep the love fest going, we thought we'd read our last review. So far, so if you would be so kind as to write a new review so we could read it next week, we'd really appreciate it. But Michelle's gonna start us off with a bang Yes. Thank
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[00:03:51] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I found Talkin Texas Forever through the Lonely Boys and was patiently catching up so I could start We Are Liars. I've seen most of the series but fell off towards the [00:04:00] end. This is definitely one of the more ridiculous and crazy of the teen dramas. I'm excited to re watch with you and discover who A, who is A.
[00:04:08] ILISSA TENIO: Oh my gosh. So you think you know things, Michelle, but you have no idea. It's
[00:04:15] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: true, it's true. It's a secret I'll never tell. Uh, thank you so much, Elizabeth. The fact that seeing most of the series but then fell
[00:04:23] ILISSA TENIO: off and still doesn't know who A is. Oh my god, Elizabeth, you didn't Google? It would have been like the first thing
[00:04:30] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I would have done or
[00:04:32] ILISSA TENIO: have someone tell me.
[00:04:34] ILISSA TENIO: I feel it as I've teased to you. Even if you googled it, I think you still have to like really search. It would have been like wait. Because it's so convoluted. It's so convoluted. Right.
[00:04:43] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: As you keep telling me. Yeah. Oh, but thank you so much, Elizabeth. And like Liz said, rate five stars, leave us a review.
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[00:04:59] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: with us [00:05:00] since the Treehill Talk days.
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[00:05:45] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I know I just wanted to say, uh, we're so glad you're part of the total betty Sam is what I was trying to get
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[00:05:55] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah, we're good. All right. Let's start off with our [00:06:00] mastermind, Spencer. She starts this episode having a nightmare, which it's like in a movie, the movie theater with old movies, and she's awoken to Melissa, who is. Desperately searching, she can't find her wedding ring because she took it off, her fingers are swollen because of pregnancy, like, the thing all women go through, right, and at this point, she sees that Melissa's phone is on the table, so she kind of tries to sneak to see if she can find it.
[00:06:28] ILISSA TENIO: See if, uh, anyone's been texting, and Melissa's very much on high alert. She's like, um, excuse you. Then at school, we have Tobifer. He's back again, even though he says last time was his last time at school, but he's still getting paperwork for his GED. And he tells Spencer he's so excited because he got a job!
[00:06:48] ILISSA TENIO: And as I teased last week, this is with Jason. Yeah. As a carpenter, he's helping him do some stuff. Spencer is very, very hesitant. Because she's not comfortable with [00:07:00] this. She doesn't really know what Jason's up to. She asks, please don't even go in the house because I don't know what's in there. And he's like, okay, I won't go in the house.
[00:07:08] ILISSA TENIO: What do you think about this?
[00:07:09] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Yeah, I know. Well, like even last week I was like, I would like, and I felt this way throughout this episode. He can get on the inside. He's the intel. Let him go in that house. Let him go in that house. Because Toby wouldn't lie. Toby would definitely be like, Oh, something's not right.
[00:07:27] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Like, I don't know. I felt weird about this, but.
[00:07:32] ILISSA TENIO: I know, and there's a part of me that, obviously, like, while I know it happens, it's very foreign to me still, but it seems like Jason's not very mean to Toby, you know? like he respects him. He kind of understands, like, oh, people talk about you, you're misunderstood, like, I get that.
[00:07:50] ILISSA TENIO: Also, like, please know, like, I never thought you killed my sister. Like, I've always thought that you were, you know, an okay guy, I guess. And so I feel like they have a nice relationship.
[00:07:59] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I [00:08:00] know and I also thought it was very interesting like the tonal shift with Spencer around, with Spencer around Toby, around Jason, Jason was like a lot nicer to Spencer.
[00:08:10] ILISSA TENIO: With Toby around. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm. Without
[00:08:14] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Toby being around. So that was interesting
[00:08:16] ILISSA TENIO: to me. Yeah. I mean, the whole purpose of Toby taking this job is because he needs to buy some supplies and a truck, like ASAP, because he was offered a job and the only way he could do it is to have his own truck. And so Spencer understands that, but she obviously wishes he wasn't working with Jason.
[00:08:34] ILISSA TENIO: And like, we have this really awkward moment where Jason's like, who is that? Is that Melissa? And Spencer's like, why would you think I'm Melissa? Yeah. And Melissa's, well, she's been coming around a lot because. You guys keep getting my mail and everyone in the chat is like, geez, it's such a bad liar. And I was like, I don't know.
[00:08:52] ILISSA TENIO: I believed it. I believed it too. It makes sense to me. Right. I was like, I don't know why I believe it. They're next door neighbors. I
[00:08:59] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: felt like [00:09:00] he gave that, like he
[00:09:01] ILISSA TENIO: didn't stumble or anything. Right. I mean, and now to go back to, like, my confusion last week, in this episode, it's very clear that the Hastings and the De Laurentiis house are across, like, next to each other.
[00:09:16] ILISSA TENIO: But then I'm assuming maybe Emily's is across the street. That's what I was thinking, too. I was going to talk about this again. And Aria is a whole mystery. We don't know where Aria is. And Hannah is
[00:09:24] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: somewhere.
[00:09:25] ILISSA TENIO: Oh, right. And Hannah is somewhere else. Maybe her and Hannah are close house distance or something.
[00:09:31] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, uh. After all that, Spencer heads home to see Melissa and kind of tells her like, I know you know what I mean. I'm scared. Kind of saying like, I know Ian could still be out there. This is freaking me out. I don't want to have to say it, but I would really love some protection from my sister.
[00:09:56] ILISSA TENIO: And she brings up a story about how she was [00:10:00] bullied and how Melissa had her back back in the day. And Melissa really... just does not want to talk to Spencer. It's very
[00:10:08] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: heartbreaking. I was not into this at all, and especially Melissa, who's pregnant and you're about to be a mother, your maternal side was not showing.
[00:10:18] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: No,
[00:10:19] ILISSA TENIO: not at
[00:10:19] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: all. And I wanted to talk to you about this too. I noted this in the chat when this part happened. We do a live chat, by the way, if you want to join our Patreon and Discord. Mike said What if Spencer's lying and she's delusional? And I was like, why would that, this sounds pretty traumatic. Like, why would Spencer lie about something like this?
[00:10:40] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: And then I'm like, should I be thinking about Spencer differently? Like, does this ever come out again? I guess you wouldn't tell me cause that might be a spoiler, but I just found that. I don't know. Like, why would she lie about something like this?
[00:10:55] ILISSA TENIO: Right, and then also all of the other girls [00:11:00] are on the defense of Spencer, you know, they're they're saying, we were there, we saw what we saw and you know, while they weren't there for that one moment where Spencer and Ian were alone, you know, they, they do believe what happened.
[00:11:15] ILISSA TENIO: I mean, they were on the phone with her. So like it. You know, people do, can back this up as, you know, as far as maybe, like, No, but why would
[00:11:23] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Spencer lie about a childhood memory? Oh, that memory. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't, I should have specified. No, and maybe I took that wrong in the chat.
[00:11:34] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Of when Mike was talking, but like, she tells this whole story of how when she was bullied and Melissa stood up. Why would Spencer lie about that memory?
[00:11:43] ILISSA TENIO: Right. I, I think, I think Melissa obviously remembers it and just doesn't want to get into it. I agree. Or Melissa doesn't remember it. And also doesn't want to get into it, you know, like it didn't seem like that far fetched of a story, [00:12:00] you know, for a sibling to defend.
[00:12:03] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Right, and it sounds traumatic and also like, not for nothing, Melissa, someone did break into the house. Like, support your sister. Don't you two want to be together? Also, and I'm sorry, I'm rambling on and I'm sure you want to move on with the summary. No, I don't.
[00:12:17] ILISSA TENIO: We
[00:12:18] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: discover at the end that the Hastings have this fancy ass.
[00:12:23] ILISSA TENIO: large gate. I know. I've never noticed that before.
[00:12:26] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: So you're telling me that every time A is just jumping that fence, like
[00:12:30] ILISSA TENIO: just, I guess, and you have this gate. Or has a passcode. Does it have a passcode? Even if it has
[00:12:36] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: a passcode, couldn't we look at the log of like how many times it's being, you know, punched in?
[00:12:41] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: And there's no cameras? If you have a gate like this and a passcode, we have no cameras. Whatever. I will let it go. Totally.
[00:12:50] ILISSA TENIO: Wild. Yes. Yes, it is.
[00:12:56] ILISSA TENIO: So after this conversation, it kind of ends where [00:13:00] Melissa says to Spencer, like, please don't let me pick, don't make me choose over you or my husband, which is really awful. Mm hmm. Just fighting words because. There should be no, that's not, Spencer was just like, I need your protection and help because you're my sister and you're my blood and my family from someone who tried to hurt me and Melissa really doesn't see it that way and that's really unfortunate for her.
[00:13:29] ILISSA TENIO: Spencer then, as we said, sees Jason taping newspaper over the window upstairs. To keep people from seeing in, or maybe from people seeing out. How about you just get blinds? Right? What do we have to be so specific with the newspaper? Yeah, it's really weird. I don't know if it's like, I don't really remember.
[00:13:52] ILISSA TENIO: So, is this for like renovation purposes? Like maybe you don't want to scratch the window? Like I don't really remember exactly [00:14:00] what the purpose of this was. Yeah. But it seems like it's very fishy and he doesn't want people looking in. Okay, yeah. We then get a flashback, which I thought was a very important one, even though I don't remember it, but now I'm like, oh yeah, maybe something happened there, where Spencer and Emily are having a little sleepover and Allie's And Um, Jason's bringing a grandmother over to their house.
[00:14:27] ILISSA TENIO: And um, He's going to me since he's super convinced that she made recommendations for So that's, that's a second video coming out next week. kind of alludes to the fact that something maybe happened to her because she was the only girl there and she's like very specific and yes I was the only girl there of course I was so it seems to me like someone was very inappropriate with her and she breaks down obviously not letting anyone see this but the girls are very in [00:15:00] tune and she kind of snaps out of it real quick and says like oh I'm just upset about my grandma and Spencer recalls that night And she's like, I wonder what happened, like, did Jason do something to her?
[00:15:13] ILISSA TENIO: Did someone do something to her? I feel like this
[00:15:15] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: was the first time in a flashback we saw Ally be so uncomfortable and vulnerable and break down. And it made me really sad of... Really, what happened? What did these boys do to you, or boy, or group, or whatever? What happened? It was really upsetting, actually, to
[00:15:35] ILISSA TENIO: watch.
[00:15:35] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah, Kate had sent an email about how she never really, like, clocked this scene, and how important it is. She didn't remember it was so dark and disturbing, which I was like, you're right, like I, there's so many flashbacks that It's hard to remember them all, obviously, and what's important to storyline you remember, but other things like this doesn't necessarily have to be, it just could just show [00:16:00] that there was a lot of trouble going on in her house.
[00:16:03] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. Yeah, and Spencer ends up then finding her sister's wedding ring behind the toaster. A very freshly cleaned cap, uh, countertop, I felt, as if the cleaning people were there. Obviously would have found the ring. So that's suspicious to me. Very suspicious. You know? Very suspicious. She decides not to give it back to her sister, but to go to a pawn shop to trade it for some cash.
[00:16:31] ILISSA TENIO: And at first I'm like, what is she doing this for? But then she gets the truck that Toby needs with the cash. And Kathleen had asked, did you ever do something like a grand gesture in the expense of someone else? Like. In this scenario, obviously it's Melissa, but someone's doing something for Toby. No. No, I can't say that I've ever done anything like this.
[00:16:56] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: No, especially
[00:16:57] ILISSA TENIO: as a teenager. No, of course not. [00:17:00] And her going to this pawn shop, and the guy's like, very suspicious of her. I'm like, doesn't she look like a child to you? I mean, to me, she doesn't because I know that she's older. As an actress, like, I know that she's older. So it's hard for me to put her at 17 or 16, but to the guy in real life, he should be like, uh, why would you have a huge diamond?
[00:17:20] ILISSA TENIO: And he is,
[00:17:21] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: but he's still like, well, I'm going to make my coin anyway. Right. I got
[00:17:24] ILISSA TENIO: to get my money. Resell this, whatever. Yeah. Mike wants to know, have we ever gone to a pawn shop? Um,
[00:17:34] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: yeah, to, to browse. I've never actually gone. Oh, you have?
[00:17:38] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. You've never, like, sold and done a trade? No. No. I don't think I've ever been into a pawn shop, nor have I traded something in.
[00:17:47] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. The concept is so, like, confusing. I mean, it's not confusing, because you're, like, borrowing, essentially. Like, here, I'll get the money now, and then I'll come back for it. Right? Isn't that what it is? I [00:18:00] mean, that's what
[00:18:00] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: it, uh, to be honest with you. I never, I, I honestly just thought it's like, here, tell me how much this is worth.
[00:18:09] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Worth, yeah. I'm gonna sell it to you and get the money and leave it the whole like, this whole Spencer deal you should work
[00:18:15] ILISSA TENIO: on Monday. Coming back for it. Yeah. Didn't really understand that, to be honest. And he's like, yeah, yeah, sure you will. And then, of course, later on, A gets the ring and he's like, I knew it was stolen.
[00:18:27] ILISSA TENIO: Something suspicious about it. But then she gives Toby his present and the scene, he is so happy, obviously. It doesn't question where she got the money from to buy this truck. Like, hey, you taking your parents money? I don't really think I'm comfortable with that, but whatever. I
[00:18:47] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: know this is sweet. And they exchange, I love you's, I can't get on board.
[00:18:52] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: This, to me, is way too ridiculous and over the top that I'm not sold, even though I really liked Hobofur.
[00:18:58] ILISSA TENIO: The truck situation [00:19:00] is over the top? Yes. I totally get that, yeah. Wait, it's so... Yeah, it kind of ruins it a little bit, because it's so crazy. Yeah,
[00:19:12] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: yeah. I'm accepting it, but I've... Right. It didn't, like, make me go, oh my god.
[00:19:17] ILISSA TENIO: Seeing them two... It's very sweet. It is. Very sweet. It's very sweet. But knowing the circumstance, you're like, could have been better, you know? Yeah. And then our last scene with the Hastings, Spencer, you know, overhears Melissa say something like, Oh, well, when she's asleep, I'll come meet you, park down the block.
[00:19:37] ILISSA TENIO: And so we see Melissa go to a vehicle out in the street and the girls run. Behind her to, you know, try and catch a look and wouldn't you know, it's Mr. Ren like did not see that coming. I totally forgot that this was a thing. I
[00:19:58] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: am [00:20:00] shocked. Shocked. And so, Mr. Ren. Well, I
[00:20:04] ILISSA TENIO: remember, I told you he wasn't on the island.
[00:20:07] ILISSA TENIO: Right.
[00:20:08] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: But like, I just was not, whatever. Mr. Ren is giving Melissa drugs?
[00:20:20] ILISSA TENIO: Well, we don't know. He's giving her a bag of, a brown bag of something. Spencer makes the kind of initiation of like, I think it could be drugs to give to Ian because obviously he was hanging by his neck. He must have some sort of, I mean, awful infection.
[00:20:41] ILISSA TENIO: Or it's for her because she's a grieving, you know, mother or something, you know. Well, I guess she wouldn't if she was pregnant. Yeah, you have to be careful with that.
[00:20:48] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Um, Ren, was he a nurse, doctor, am I forgetting? Doctor. And a doctor. I just really forgot about that.
[00:20:56] ILISSA TENIO: Well, he was in medical school. I think he was just [00:21:00] wrapping up medical school.
[00:21:01] ILISSA TENIO: And then next week you'll see like, he's either a resident or something like he's a young doctor. Okay. Got it. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Wow. On to, um, Miss Anita. You know, if you will. Anita over at Hollis college. She was so excited to tell the girls in the bathroom that she was, uh, Go into Hollis. They were all like look at each other like pathetic
[00:21:30] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: like just to take a course just for fun
[00:21:33] ILISSA TENIO: just to spy Well to take a course to be closer to Ezra and then Spencer's like oh So is Jackie teaching it like obviously we know and and Aria is like no, it's mostly to be near Ezra and then Apparently, this story, I think, I've seen in the past, like, the pottery is from the third book, so this does happen in the books, where Aria sees Jenna in a [00:22:00] pottery class and befriends her under someone else's name, and I guess it happens this way.
[00:22:06] ILISSA TENIO: Um, but in this class, like I just said, Jenna is taking the pottery class, and... Aria tells Ezra at home, and Ezra's like pretty sensible about it. He's like, okay, so you guys have history, but maybe you can like patch things up, grow. You're outside of high school, but yet you're still very much in high school.
[00:22:28] ILISSA TENIO: He keeps pointing that out. She's like, you keep saying that. I'm like, well, at least he's saying it. It doesn't really make a difference. I guess. But he tells her, he's like, maybe you guys can just make amends, befriend each other. But Aria doesn't go that route. She decides to... You know, trick her and pretend to be someone else.
[00:22:47] ILISSA TENIO: And then at the end of class, I guess, Jenna asks Anita to help her with her art. And she makes this pot vase, I [00:23:00] guess, with kind of like little holes in it so that when you put a candle in it and you spin it around, the light shines and it's really cool. And Jenna opens up very much to Anita about what it's like to be blind and be able to You know, being able to see, and now she can, and she breaks down, and you see Aria crying, because she's very much responsible for Jenna's blindness, you know, to a point.
[00:23:25] ILISSA TENIO: And so she asks Aria, can you describe what you see? And as Aria starts talking, Jenna's like, um, no. I know who you are. In the chat, people are like, oh, Jenna's working Aria so much, and I'm like, she does not know it's her. I love
[00:23:42] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: this. so much. The whole, the whole build of it was she's like, come closer, light the candle.
[00:23:51] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: What do you see? And I was like, this is so fun. This is why this show is fun to me right now. Because like, we [00:24:00] know what she doesn't know yet. Or maybe she does. We're still like on, you know, and the whole like Jenna first talking about how I thought she actually was playing her. It would be smart in her saying she could see figure, like, she could see shadows.
[00:24:12] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Also,
[00:24:13] ILISSA TENIO: I'm pretty sure in the past she said she's noticed Aria's perfume. Well, I
[00:24:17] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: was gonna say that, right? Like, all of your other senses would be heightened. So, I was like, either she's really effort I kept going back and forth. She's playing her, she's not playing her, but then she gets very vulnerable. I'm like, she's gotta smell her, you gotta have a presence about
[00:24:31] ILISSA TENIO: her.
[00:24:31] ILISSA TENIO: Mm hmm. And
[00:24:33] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: of course, her voice, like, oh man, I loved it so
[00:24:36] ILISSA TENIO: much. I loved it. You can't mistake Aria Montgomery's voice, and Jenna's so enraged, obviously, and she tells her to get out. Actually, Mike wants to know, have we ever taken a pottery class?
[00:24:50] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Yeah, I took it as senior, senior year of high school is one of my classes, my courses.
[00:24:54] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: You took it
[00:24:54] ILISSA TENIO: in high school? Yeah, because
[00:24:56] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: senior year I finished everything, my credits, so [00:25:00] I took all fun things and one of them was
[00:25:01] ILISSA TENIO: pottery. That is fun. I took it in college. I had a really nasty professor, but I did enjoy. The class itself. It was much, much, much harder than I anticipated. So
[00:25:13] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I took pottery one, which was just working with clay.
[00:25:17] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I didn't get on the wheel. Pottery
[00:25:19] ILISSA TENIO: two was the wheel. You know, I didn't do the wheel. We just did like our own sculpting with the tools. I had to like go down to like the village in Port Jeff and buy like a very specific like tool set for this class, which I'm like I at this point obviously it's like early 2000 so Now you can order it on Amazon, I'm sure, for cheaper, but at that point, they were like, no, you need to buy this specific, like, 100 kit for this fucking glass.
[00:25:46] ILISSA TENIO: Wow. And he was such a dick. I will not name his name because I'm not sure about his first name. So, but he was mean. And I remember the girl who did my hair at the time was like, I had him. He's such an asshole. And she tells [00:26:00] me that. At the end of the semester, like you had to, your final project was what you've been working on this whole time, and she's like, mine was amazing, it was beautiful, and then they get to bake it in the, you know, oven, and he burned hers, and destroyed it, so he had to give her an A, and I was like, you mother, I think I ended up getting like a B minus or a C, and I worked my ass off, and it was so hard, and he's still just like, I don't remember if there was tests, like, how could there be tests in pottery?
[00:26:33] ILISSA TENIO: Do you remember what you made? I did. It was pretty ugly. I don't know where it is. It was just like, um. A gauvaz. Yeah. That kind of looked like that. Like the outer edges. Don't ask me why I chose that design. It was quite hard to do, but I guess at the time I thought it was going to be easy. Yeah. And it was really hard.
[00:26:54] ILISSA TENIO: Do you remember what you did?
[00:26:55] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Oh yeah. I made a bunch of bowls, and then I made a Christmas platter [00:27:00] with like a snowman landscape that I gave to my mom for Christmas, and she still puts it out. I'm not really proud of like, Oh. You know, it looks like a child made it and, but my mom still displays, she sent me actually a picture in her bedroom, she's like, I started decorating for the holidays and it's, it's a painting of two birds in a winter scene and I probably did it when I was like, I don't know, 14.
[00:27:26] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: It's not bad, but it's also like, okay. This isn't great. She's like, I love this so much. I'm like, mom, we got to get you a different.
[00:27:35] ILISSA TENIO: That's so sweet. Yeah. Mom says that she kept that and she hung it. She hangs it every Christmas. Oh, yeah. I love that. Britt wants to know, at this point, do you think Jenna can see?
[00:27:48] ILISSA TENIO: Because you've toyed with it back and forth with, you think she might, sometimes you don't think she can. What do you think at this moment? Yeah, well, like
[00:27:57] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I said, this whole pottery class, I [00:28:00] was like, oh, she's toying, she knows. But then she broke down. I actually believed her how vulnerable she got, and she got super mad.
[00:28:11] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I don't, oh,
[00:28:16] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I'm thinking. I don't know. Here, okay, when, when she walked from her station over to Or maybe she was, I don't know where Jenna was walking from, but she walked over to her station or the display where she was like, I need you to clean everything off. She got there with no issues.
[00:28:38] ILISSA TENIO: Mm hmm. Yeah. So, um. Yeah. Um.
[00:28:44] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: That might be a mistake on the writers. We're not supposed to pay attention to that. I'm going to say she can see a little bit.
[00:28:52] ILISSA TENIO: Okay. You heard it here. The last part with Ezra and Aria is, you know, they're so excited [00:29:00] to meet up in public and then it's like they forgot they were in public and they kiss each other and of course Jackie seized.
[00:29:12] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. Out of all people. Out of all
[00:29:14] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: people. How convenient, Jackie, to be there. Hmm. Yeah. Mm hmm. I just keep thinking, like, when Ezra goes out with his colleagues and everyone's, like, bringing their partner and then he, oh, I'm sorry, mine can't get into the bar, oh, mine's in high
[00:29:30] ILISSA TENIO: school. Yeah, I just don't think anyone knows besides his friend, Hardy.
[00:29:35] ILISSA TENIO: Right?
[00:29:37] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: But, like, I'm, I'm thinking, like, future wise, you know? Mm. Yeah.
[00:29:41] ILISSA TENIO: Mm hmm. Yeah. Well, there'll be, for this season, it's a lot of like, you know, now that you're not my teacher, what's gonna happen? You know, kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. Gross. Gross. Yeah. Okay, over to Hannah, who, I feel like she's struggling the [00:30:00] most being without the girls.
[00:30:02] ILISSA TENIO: Like, she seems to You think? Yeah, well, I mean, she's going back to her old ways, and she's shoplifting with Mona, and Yeah. Her dad, of course, is not making it any better, because he's still in town, and Ashley's, like, kind of warming up to the idea. She's even buying his favorite dairy free creamer, and Hannah's no fool.
[00:30:21] ILISSA TENIO: She's like, Mom. I don't like what's happening here and Ash is like, people, you know, can grow and can change. Just give your dad a chance. He is trying and then Tom admits later on to Hannah that things between him and his fiance are like not so great right now and Hannah's like not really upset. She's like, whatever.
[00:30:41] ILISSA TENIO: I don't really want to talk about it and then she sees her parents. They're laughing and having a good time and she's like getting this glimmer of hope that maybe they can work things out. And so when Isabel, the fiancé, texts Tom to apologize, Hannah deletes it. [00:31:00] Yeah, girl. She's so spicy
[00:31:03] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: in this
[00:31:03] ILISSA TENIO: episode.
[00:31:04] ILISSA TENIO: She's very. She's loving all of the drama, she's like, yes, Emily, be a bad girl. Hannah's being the devil. She's being the devil. I know. Yeah. That text
[00:31:18] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: though How did you take that because you would think she'd want her dad out of the house But then she sees like her dad and her mom having a
[00:31:25] ILISSA TENIO: moment I think it was, I don't know if it was a surprise when her parents got divorced for her, like, I don't know what her house was like, you know, a year or two from now, a year or two, you know, prior to now.
[00:31:38] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. So, I don't know if she, like, thought this was abrupt and she wasn't, obviously, mentally prepared for it. I don't know, like. Obviously, she did at one point have a relationship with her dad, and then he moved out and told her he would be there for her, but kind of doesn't really make due of that [00:32:00] promise.
[00:32:00] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. But then at the end of the day, it's always like, well, you want your parents together, right? Right. Isn't that, and if
[00:32:08] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: they're getting along. But not if they're toxic. Right. But if they're having moments and you see like a glimmer of hope, I can imagine getting swept up
[00:32:15] ILISSA TENIO: in that. Definitely.
[00:32:16] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. Also in this episode, Hannah is eating alone, and Lucas, who is roomies with Caleb these days, which we didn't see him this week, but we'll see him next week. I love
[00:32:30] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: that he took him in and his parents are letting Caleb stay there. Is Caleb in school?
[00:32:35] ILISSA TENIO: Where is he? Yes, maybe he's just like not around. I guess they couldn't, you know, yeah, I didn't want to utilize this episode but you know, he is going to school and Lucas tells Hannah like I'd love to hang out with you, but like I got a lot of stuff to do I gotta go to yearbook and he's like feels badly.
[00:32:54] ILISSA TENIO: So he says, you should come and help out. And so she does come and she notices [00:33:00] that Lucas is crushing on this girl named Danielle. And he's like, she doesn't even know my name. She doesn't know I exist. So Hannah goes over and to make him seem more desirable, she like, tells her that You know, Lucas is this really good photographer, and like, she's got a crush on him, or she had a crush on him.
[00:33:20] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah, and
[00:33:20] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: like, the entire 11th grade did. Does this ever work? I know! I was wondering. It's just so cliche that we see in TV. Like, he has a wild side, I wanted to be with him, but he turned me down.
[00:33:32] ILISSA TENIO: Right! It's so cliche for a teen trope, but also, this I feel like would never work in the real life. No. Like, this would not make me want someone more if a girl was coming over and telling me how, like, you know, he's You can't catch him, basically.
[00:33:49] ILISSA TENIO: You can't catch him. Right? Yeah, no. Okay, lastly we have to talk about Emily, who as we know is still so desperate to stay in Rosewood [00:34:00] and she contemplates writing a letter from the Scout to show her mother. She's got, like I said, Devil Hannah on one side and like Angel Aria on the other and Hannah's like, do it, and Aria's like, don't do it.
[00:34:11] ILISSA TENIO: It's not a good idea to lie to your parents. Like, Aria knows firsthand. You know, to keep stuff from your parents. So Emily does write the letter, but she chooses not to send it. She immediately rips it up and puts it in the garbage can. And then we have a really sweet moment between her and Pam, where Pam's like, reminiscing about her childhood and she brings down a box of Emily's, like, baby clothes and stuff, and Just breaks down and says to Emily, like, I can't imagine what you were going through.
[00:34:43] ILISSA TENIO: Like, you had to hide who you were. It was really special. I
[00:34:47] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: love Pam in this episode so much. And also, it just seems like Pam is also not wanting to move either.
[00:34:54] ILISSA TENIO: Right? I know she probably obviously misses her husband and wants to be near him. But [00:35:00] like, this is where they've You know, Emily has grown up.
[00:35:03] ILISSA TENIO: Her height chart was on the wall there. Her baby box is in this house. Like, she grew up there. And so I'm sure that's really hard for Pam. It's obviously very hard for Emily. Yeah. You know, and they, they just have a really, a really sweet moment. And Emily is feeling. Regret, but ultimately, she doesn't regret anything until much later when Pam does get the letter that A must have, like, recopied and sent to her.
[00:35:31] ILISSA TENIO: And in the garbage is A's note of like, you know, can't, can't make fun of you if you're not in Rosewood, so you gotta stick around.
[00:35:39] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Right. I mean, yeah. I called that.
[00:35:43] ILISSA TENIO: Kat wants to know, what do you think Emily's plan is now that her parents think she's going to Danby? How will she get out of it? Will she go to Danby eventually?
[00:35:54] ILISSA TENIO: I
[00:35:54] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: kind of feel that This is gonna be one of those things where she's like, oh my god, I'll figure this out later [00:36:00] But we're not moving and I have to focus on other things and then it's gonna be a I like, oh, they changed their mind I'm not actually going to Danby and then the way you have the letter but mm hmm, obviously
[00:36:16] ILISSA TENIO: So we'll kind of like work out and Emily wouldn't really get that much in trouble, right?
[00:36:22] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't really remember. I remember some things but not a lot about that. And I mean, that's my, my summary. Your summary. And, uh, I apologize for my, uh, The Rosewood shop last week, which when we come back from break, I will read, but Mike had clarified it was a charret. So stay tuned for my ice cream flavor.[00:37:00]
[00:37:00] ILISSA TENIO: Okay. We hope you enjoyed. Your break at this time, I would love to share with you the Rosewood shop, which is sent in by listener and patron, Michael. He pairs an ice cream flavor with the episode at hand. This is a tradition we started back in let's talk OCD. So if you're familiar, um, that's where it came from.
[00:37:23] ILISSA TENIO: And he was so gracious as to send us emails for this podcast. So, uh, even though I butcher the flavor names. But this week he said he did an easy one because, you know, he felt my pain. So it's uh, Haagen Dazs mango raspberry. Oh! Which delish. Delish. Delish. Um, he said mango ice cream with swirls of red raspberry.
[00:37:48] ILISSA TENIO: The swirls of red represent the redness on the liar's face due to embarrassment or anger. Emily is a little red in the face after A stole her fake letter and sent it to her house. Aria, or [00:38:00] should I say Anita, is a little embarrassed for lying about her name, as if Jenna wouldn't recognize her voice.
[00:38:06] ILISSA TENIO: However, no one's face is going to be redder than Spencer's once she fe Finds out the ring is gone. The mango is a good touch for this episode because it represents Ezra who got a new job. So why doesn't the man go away?
[00:38:24] ILISSA TENIO: Oh my God. I love it. The mango away and he should go away. Oh, that's so good. Thank you. He wasn't as triggering in this episode, but no. Yeah, I mean, not that Yeah. I have a question
[00:38:41] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: for you. What did you mean by like, at least he showers and she doesn't? It's icky.
[00:38:50] ILISSA TENIO: I meant, I just meant like, it was weird that like, Ezra was the only one that had showered.
[00:38:56] ILISSA TENIO: Not that Aria is like stinky or icky that way, I just meant like, I [00:39:00] don't know, like, when you're in a relationship, like, it's not usually one person that's showering, you know what I mean? So it's like, it was obvious, it was obvious to me that they were making it to show like, oh, these people have not slept together.
[00:39:14] ILISSA TENIO: To me. Like, Ezra had a shower, he got all, like, relaxed for bed, and Arya's, like, very much still in her clothes. Like, it just was weird. I Am I the only one that thought that way? Like, they didn't shower together kind of thing? Well,
[00:39:29] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: yes. But I also thought it was just weird to show him
[00:39:32] ILISSA TENIO: showered. Yes. I also It was a weird choice.
[00:39:35] ILISSA TENIO: It was not Why did we do that? That's what I mean. Like, it just Why did we choose this? Why did we choose it? Okay. You know? Yes, um, who do you think your MVP was this week? My MVP is Pam. Yeah, same.
[00:39:50] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I, I loved her and the progress she's made and she was just like really sweet.
[00:39:57] ILISSA TENIO: Yes, agreed. I almost picked [00:40:00] Lucas, too, because I felt like it was nice to see him, like, accept Hannah again in his life, and, you know, he felt bad for her, and also he's taking in Caleb.
[00:40:10] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. The taking
[00:40:11] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: in Caleb. It's cute. It's so cute.
[00:40:13] ILISSA TENIO: It's so cute. So cute. So cute. It's on the chat. Mike's like, it's been a minute since we've said so cute. If you're an OG, you know, okay? I mean, I say
[00:40:23] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: it in my daily. I just probably haven't said it on the
[00:40:26] ILISSA TENIO: pod in a while. No, we haven't. But it's so cute. So cute.
[00:40:32] ILISSA TENIO: What about shittiest? Uh,
[00:40:34] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: yeah, it's Melissa for me.
[00:40:37] ILISSA TENIO: That's a great choice. I picked Hannah. Okay. Because I felt like she meddled a little too much. She was. You know, she was playing the devil too much in this episode for me, but Melissa totally
[00:40:50] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: yeah I mean Melissa's up to her own Whatever she's up to but she didn't have to be so mean to Spencer and I just didn't like it Like why do you want to be in the barn by [00:41:00] yourself?
[00:41:01] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Right. Like, aren't you afraid? I'm sorry. You're pregnant. Your parents aren't around. Like,
[00:41:06] ILISSA TENIO: safety in numbers. I know. And like, spoiler, like, next week the parents are not around either, so it's like, obviously the parents are just not around, so you only have each other. It's just weird. It's very weird. Yeah.
[00:41:20] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. What would you give it? On a
[00:41:24] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: cringe. I wasn't really cringed out, I have to be honest with
[00:41:27] ILISSA TENIO: you. Same. We're like three for three with
[00:41:31] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: this season. Yeah, but even lower than last week, unless I'm forgetting something, I would say maybe like even a one? Just because like Yeah, I would say
[00:41:38] ILISSA TENIO: a one.
[00:41:38] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Pretty Little Liars is cringe all the time.
[00:41:41] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Always. But this was like a tinge of cringe. It was a tinge of cringe.
[00:41:45] ILISSA TENIO: Oh my god, a tinge of cringe. Tinge of cringe. That's perfect. Yeah, tinge of cringe. Yeah. Just a tinge. Just a tinge. I do have to mention, I feel like, let's appreciate the abs going on. [00:42:00] I don't want to, like, you know, I know, focus too much about it because, you know, he's just a nice person and we don't need to sexualize him.
[00:42:08] ILISSA TENIO: We don't. But the abs were absolutely gorgeous and insane. And then, uh, You have Jason, which I'm like, What? The two men, you guys, what is happening? Like, I couldn't take it. I couldn't, in a good way. Yeah, we can compliment. Just good looking. Good looking dudes. Bravo to them. Yeah, and then I'm thinking, well, poor Ian, who is Ezra, like, did he feel like he had to spray paint those abs on because he felt inferior?
[00:42:43] ILISSA TENIO: Obviously. We don't feel that way, but like, you know, you get in your head about shit, and you compare yourself to others, and like, if you're walking around next to Toby, like, Oh
[00:42:54] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: my goodness, he's cut from stone!
[00:42:56] ILISSA TENIO: Cut! He literally is Edward Cullen, but like, cut. I [00:43:00] know! Like, someone Like, imagine laying on his cold ass body?
[00:43:04] ILISSA TENIO: Someone came in and sculpted him! Chiseled! Chiseled that beautiful
[00:43:10] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: marble stone.
[00:43:12] ILISSA TENIO: It's very nice. Hairless and gorgeous. You know
[00:43:16] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: how I like them seals.
[00:43:18] ILISSA TENIO: You know. The smoother the better. Uh,
[00:43:25] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: not to change subjects from complimenting the men on this show, but but the
[00:43:31] ILISSA TENIO: blood. Oh, yeah. As you
[00:43:35] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: said, it was like period blood.
[00:43:37] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: It
[00:43:37] ILISSA TENIO: looked like a period pad that just like rolled out on the grass. And he's like, haha, I caught myself. And I'm like. To me, it didn't seem like an absurd amount of blood to, like, question. Same. It was just, like, some cotton. And I guess that's why I, like, forgot about it. You know?
[00:43:52] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: And again, it wasn't, like, and I think they did that on purpose, like, oh, let's make him even look more suspicious, but it really wasn't that much [00:44:00] blood, but it made me laugh.
[00:44:01] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I, because the music was so intense, and so they're telling us, like, oh my god, Ian's up to no good. And I'm like, guys, this is, like, you know, a little bit of blood. It's a cuticle tear.
[00:44:14] ILISSA TENIO: It's no big deal, right? It's just like you got a paper cut. Like to me, it didn't look all that bad, but Jason's like, I know it looks bad, but it's not bad.
[00:44:28] ILISSA TENIO: Sure. All right. So we're going to get into, uh, The title for next week, I have a little secret and it will be done. I mean, we're going to be on to episode four again, again, already, I should say next week. So the title for two four is blind dates. Okay. And my secret. On [00:45:00] the theme of dates, there is a double date.
[00:45:02] ILISSA TENIO: Next week, including Hannah and Caleb.
[00:45:08] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I literally got chills, y'all.
[00:45:12] ILISSA TENIO: I'm such a nerd. This is what I'm living for. I wanted to give you some positivity. But blind dates. Okay, so predict about that, and then we can go into some other stuff. Okay,
[00:45:21] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: so I'm curious if Lucas sets them up. Like, hey, They have more talks while they're working on photography at the yearbook club.
[00:45:29] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: And either he stages, like, Hey, come hang out with me. Or, or this includes Danielle. Danielle and Lucas go out with Hannah and Caleb. And it's a group hang. A good old group
[00:45:44] ILISSA TENIO: hang. Good old total buddy
[00:45:47] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: group hang. So I think that's what's happening there. It's a group hang.
[00:45:51] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. What's happening with Spencer and the ring?
[00:45:54] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Well, that ring is showing up to Melissa. Whether she's gonna find [00:46:00] it in the barn, she's gonna find it in an envelope sent to her. She's gonna find it, like, underneath the couch cushion. It's being found. 100%. I mean, A, A bought it and A will give it back. Hmm. But then, what's weird about that? Um, is nothing really bad happened from it?
[00:46:24] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Like, Spencer got
[00:46:26] ILISSA TENIO: it. Yes, but, you know, the fact that Spencer pawned it is bad, so Melissa knowing that her sister tried to pawn her ring, that definitely has some repercussions. Of course. I'm just
[00:46:41] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: wondering how that will be, how Melissa will find out about that. Right, but I think Melissa Melissa 100 percent is getting the ring back.
[00:46:49] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I don't know if it'll be with like A let I don't know how that will but she's getting the ring back and she will find out about Spencer I'm, just like curious how because a wouldn't write a letter to to [00:47:00] melissa.
[00:47:03] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I don't Because as far as, like, isn't A only kind of messing with the girls?
[00:47:11] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah, but wouldn't, you know, Spencer being on Melissa's bad side still mess with her? Yeah,
[00:47:18] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: but, yeah, I don't know, but Melissa would be like, I got this weird letter. I don't know. I don't think it's gonna come in letter form.
[00:47:28] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Someone's gonna tell her. I saw your sister. I don't know how that's gonna go down, but I can't wait to find out. I'm very curious in these mysterious shadows in Ian's house. Now
[00:47:40] ILISSA TENIO: In
[00:47:40] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Jason's house. Jason's house. I'm sorry. No, I'm curious. Okay. Well, yeah, I'm curious of who the shadows It's very interesting of like, or is that Jason's shadows?
[00:47:51] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: But sometimes I feel like we see Jason outside and then we see the shadows in the room. So I'm like, who else is in that house? And I guess [00:48:00] it'd be interesting if it was,
[00:48:02] ILISSA TENIO: right, and Spencer's like, Oh, I didn't know you were living with someone. He's like, I'm not right,
[00:48:07] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: right. So we, yeah, we all see it. We all see it.
[00:48:12] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: It's like, oh, it's my cousin from, you know, Jersey visiting.
[00:48:18] ILISSA TENIO: Here's Brad. Yeah.
[00:48:20] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Brad De Laurentiis.
[00:48:22] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah. That's a good
[00:48:24] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: name. I know. I can't wait for cousin Brad
[00:48:26] ILISSA TENIO: to show up. Brad De Laurentiis. Brad De Laurentiis. Well. Yeah. What else do you think will happen next week? Anything else? Well, I
[00:48:37] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: mean Ezra and Aria. I
[00:48:40] ILISSA TENIO: wonder, can you answer me this?
[00:48:41] ILISSA TENIO: Yeah, what's with the Jackie situation? Is Aria over the
[00:48:45] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: pottery class? Was that a one and done?
[00:48:48] ILISSA TENIO: I'm
[00:48:48] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: pretty sure, yeah. Yeah, so that was just to establish that, that whole situation. And now, like, Jenna has, I guess, something on her. [00:49:00] Yeah, and Jackie. Hmm. Maybe she'll say something to Ezra. Yeah. Mm hmm. I'm just more, I'm just more excited for this double date.
[00:49:10] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: I'm sorry you should have never said it, like, that's what I'm hyper focused on.
[00:49:13] ILISSA TENIO: And that's okay, because that's all we needed to hear from your predictions. You did a great job. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I think you'll be pleased with next week's episode. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. TBD next week. We will see you then on Blind Dates.
[00:49:35] ILISSA TENIO: I don't think it's more than one, but I don't know why they called it Blind Dates. Oh, maybe like Blind, like Jenna, Petra. Right, right. You know? Yeah. We'll see. Yeah. Um, but thank you so much for listening and downloading. And again, if you haven't wrote a review and you're listening on Apple Podcasts, please consider it.
[00:49:56] ILISSA TENIO: That would help us out so much. If you're interested in joining our little Patreon [00:50:00] fam, the link is always in the bio for the episode. Come join us. You can discord chat with us. On the first episodes of the month, we record live so you can see us live and it's a fun time. So join us. Please.
[00:50:17] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: We're not like a cult.
[00:50:18] ILISSA TENIO: Join us. No, we always say like, join us, but not in a creepy way. We just want to have friendship hikes, that's all. I know! That's
[00:50:25] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: it! It's just like a giant friendship group chat that you want to be a part of. Because we have the best patrons
[00:50:31] ILISSA TENIO: ever. The best. The best ever. Yeah. Alright, until next week. See you later.
[00:50:38] MICHELLE RUBINSTEIN: Thank you so much for listening to We Are Liars. A Pretty Little Liars Podcast. You can email us at weareliarspod at gmail. com. If you're interested in seeing what we do with this show and all of our others, head over to Instagram and search TotalBetty Podcast Network. This has been a TotalBetty
[00:50:52] ILISSA TENIO: Podcast, produced and edited by Ilissa Teneo and Michelle Rubinstein.
[00:50:57] ILISSA TENIO: Music by Anthony Viccora.[00:51:00]
